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 Post subject: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:50 pm 
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The game does not add up the points you get for the each of the twelve questions in the second round, instead, it gives you credit for just one question. Tonight that cost us 14-15,000 points team average; we think we would have won otherwise. (Addendum: 1/18--Had not seen Walsh's and Little Rock's scores on our leaderboard when this was said, would not have beaten those.)
The game also does not let you choose how many points you earn on each of the categories; it chooses for you.

This game is not ready for prime time.

We also noticed the absence of Walsh's tonight. What happened to them?

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:31 am 
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STRO wrote:
We also noticed the absence of Walsh's tonight. What happened to them?


Walsh's (and Little Rock) showed up on the HOF. Perhaps those using the Chromebox do not see BYODs on their leaderboard.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:44 pm 
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It seems like there are now at least 4 systems. Plus an app system at the box bars so maybe 6 systems?

The classic box/tablet bars that don’t see the site hub or the BGN device bars.
The site hub bars that see box bars and other site hub bars but not BGN bars.
The BGN bars that see box bars but not sitehub bars. The BGN bars seem to also have serious game play issues.

Huge mess, I would recommend keeping the box setup as long as possible and then keep the sitehub as long as possible. Don’t be the Guinea pig in their BGN game testing. It never pays to be an early adopter. Wait for all the fixes.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:38 am 
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Walsh’s played as usual last night and noticed no unusual scoring and appear3d to win Six, which was the same on HOF today. Problem occurred at Teasers on Wednesday playing the old blue boxes. All the ‘games’ questions on Marathon were precalled, yet the system gave everyone a wrong on the third, costing 1500 ish on the question plus 2k for the bonus.

Did anyone else have that experience?

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:38 am 
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BUD wrote:
Huge mess, I would recommend keeping the box setup as long as possible and then keep the sitehub as long as possible. Don’t be the Guinea pig in their BGN game testing. It never pays to be an early adopter. Wait for all the fixes.


I disagree. If there is no testing, there is no correction.

Yes, the pioneers get all the arrows in the back, but it looks like Bull's Eye will now be able to play Showdown and Spotlight on the app with minimal problems. The regular games seem OK.
Six is terrible, but the big problem is not subtle, shouldn't be too difficult to fix, and the programmers do know about it. Once that is corrected, BGN should be OK enough.

There is now a penalty to sticking with the old stuff: Buzztime isn't going to fix them any more . Not suggesting everyone order the new stuff today, but the only way all these subsystems go away is to go away from the old stuff. And if the locations with the old people with the old stuff drop the game when the errors get too much rather than upgrade, this company dies.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:18 pm 
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STRO, do you know if the BGN sites are like site hub / no box sites where the original sites still can’t see the site on the leaderboards? I was optimistic that the BGE would “see” all sites scores and also be “seen” at all 3 site types on the leaderboards.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:49 pm 
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jeradc wrote:
STRO, do you know if the BGN sites are like site hub / no box sites where the original sites still can’t see the site on the leaderboards? I was optimistic that the BGE would “see” all sites scores and also be “seen” at all 3 site types on the leaderboards.


I can tell you we cannot see what we are pretty sure are BYOD sites: we didn't see the Basement in Ohio for Brainbuster on Tuesday, and we didn't see Walsh's or the Little Rock team for the Thursday games. Don't know if they can see us.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:02 pm 
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STRO wrote:
jeradc wrote:
STRO, do you know if the BGN sites are like site hub / no box sites where the original sites still can’t see the site on the leaderboards? I was optimistic that the BGE would “see” all sites scores and also be “seen” at all 3 site types on the leaderboards.


I can tell you we cannot see what we are pretty sure are BYOD sites: we didn't see the Basement in Ohio for Brainbuster on Tuesday, and we didn't see Walsh's or the Little Rock team for the Thursday games. Don't know if they can see us.

Ah, that's disappointing. Being a site hub site, we've only been viewable on the leaderboards to other site hub sites.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:59 am 
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I will try to do a comparison between what we see and what shows up on the HOF sometime on Wednesday.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:03 pm 
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STRO wrote:
I will try to do a comparison between what we see and what shows up on the HOF sometime on Wednesday.


We saw eleven locations on the initial leaderboard, including the top nine finishers on the HOF. They seemed to include all classes of location. We also saw two other teams that did not show up in the HOF, but this was due to a long-standing bug.
Unlike the HOF, the initial leaderboard does not take the total of less than six scores and divide by six; it just takes the average. In this instance, the two locations had just three and two players. If you've ever noticed that you ranked higher in the HOF than you did on the initial leaderboard, this is why.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:05 pm 
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I was told by Buzztime programming that Six has been corrected. I will report on this by tomorrow morning.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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At Teasers we did not see scores for you and Arkansas tonight. Figured you must be out of the top 20. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:21 am 
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Points are now properly accumulating in the second round. What has not been adjusted is being able
to choose the point totals in the final round. It also looks like new BGN locations are not going to be able to see scores from
SiteHub sites; we did not see Little Rock last night, but I found scores from them at Rock Lounge this morning.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:27 am 
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Per Six choosing your point allocation in the final round: I noticed this last night:

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It's not a bug; it's a feature. :(

This will put BGN teams at a disadvantage against older setups at least sometimes; though realistically, you can't win this game unless you get all of them right.

This is a "we'll fix this down the road" issue along with the Category issue in Showdown.

Per the complete results issue, keep in mind that that issue will vanish once all the SiteHub locations go to the new standard.

I don't make the news; I only report it. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:44 am 
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You can add to that list of unwanted features with the sitehub sites and I’ll assume the BGN sites as well.

Only 10 bars in the rankings instead of 20.
Only 10 individuals in the rankings instead of 20.
Showing more than the winner from an individual bar. Showing multiple players from a single bar.
In the final bet in Playback the error message showing “you have no points to bet” thus giving you a 0 for the final Q. Have you tried Playback yet on the BGN?

The sitehub device being quite glitchy and disconnecting 1 to 2 times per hour for 1 to 3 questions. This is for all players at the same time, some on their own LTE data and the rest on bar WiFi that ran the same app on the same phones fine when we were a blue box bar. It’s in the sitehub connection though Aram says it’s the player’s device fault. The message that shows after saying “disconnecting”is “no games available”. The disconnecting is usually between 35 and 45 minutes after the top of the hour and less frequently between 10 and 20 minutes past the top of the hour.

So that’s at 12:35 to :45, 1:35 to :45 and so on all day. With an occasional one 10 minutes after the hour. This does happen at other sitehub bars to a lesser extent.

Many players have drastically cut back playing time and number of days per week. I hope the BGN doesn’t do this. Our bar just got the sitehub and it took a long time to get it set up. I doubt they will be ordering the BGN any time soon.

Huge Mess that needs a lot of work.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:32 pm 
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BUD wrote:
You can add to that list of unwanted features with the sitehub sites and I’ll assume the BGN sites as well.

Only 10 bars in the rankings instead of 20.
Only 10 individuals in the rankings instead of 20.
Showing more than the winner from an individual bar. Showing multiple players from a single bar.


Rankings with the Chromebox is the top . . . 11. I kid you not.

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In the final bet in Playback the error message showing “you have no points to bet” thus giving you a 0 for the final Q. Have you tried Playback yet on the BGN?


No. I'll try to talk myself into doing that this weekend.

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The sitehub device being quite glitchy and disconnecting 1 to 2 times per hour for 1 to 3 questions. This is for all players at the same time, some on their own LTE data and the rest on bar WiFi that ran the same app on the same phones fine when we were a blue box bar. It’s in the sitehub connection though Aram says it’s the player’s device fault. The message that shows after saying “disconnecting”is “no games available”. The disconnecting is usually between 35 and 45 minutes after the top of the hour and less frequently between 10 and 20 minutes past the top of the hour.

So that’s at 12:35 to :45, 1:35 to :45 and so on all day. With an occasional one 10 minutes after the hour. This does happen at other sitehub bars to a lesser extent.


I don't have the time now to comment on this; I will get back to you.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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Cool, let me know how the BGN is for staying connected. Also I saw a report that said their BGN bar rankings had 20 bars? Might have been the Basement. But the 20 individuals still had multiple from the same bar.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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I could have been wrong about the bar TV not showing 20 places; I look at that so rarely now. I'll check on Tuesday, but I'm sure about the app showing 11.

Probably won't go down to play Playback tonight.

Per your disconnects, before I go into a big long spiel about possibilities, have you tried getting a replacement SiteHub?

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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No Stained Glass Pub has not asked for a replacement sitehub. As far as they know it’s brand new and took forever to get from BT after months of unsuccessfully trying to fix the bad modem in the old blue box computer. 2 modems sent a month or 2 apart neither of which would work for more than a few minutes before going out. Reset it and go again many times. An entire replacement computer was no longer available. This was a bartender doing the modem replacement in the tower during business hours. There must have another problem in the mother board.

So after 3 1/2 months of being down and now up they have no interest at all in any dicking around with BT equipment. In a few months I may ask about getting the BGN if it sounds like it’s working good at other places. We are not concerned with SD or SL.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:57 am 
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Per Stained Glass:

Whatever is causing it, it is not the individual devices. Individual devices can be prone to not playing well with Buzztime, but not all at the same time. We have never had the sort of problem you had at Bull's Eye, and the only rare times we had significant problems, it was WiFi problems.

Poor wifi can cause problems with multiple devices and the Sitehub itself, and bars often have poor wifi, so that is worth checking. You would like to get readings on signal strength (you'll get a measurement like -60dbm) and throughput (you'll get a measurement like 40mbps) . Unfortunately for you, Nanny Apple does not allow third-party apps to precisely measure signal, so you would be better off using an Android device for this. Using WiFi Analyzer and Speedtest will do the job, especially around the time these dropoffs occur. If things go bad then, then that is a big clue. Another test is simply to use the wifi in a different way before and during one of these events. Are there any problems there?

The regularity of the disconnects seems to point away from poor wifi, though. Buzztime does run periodic location checks on a device, and it will disconnect a device if it is not happy with what it finds.

You know Buzztime is doing a location check if you see this symbol on the top left or right of your screen:

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It's important to understand that the Sitehub does not transmit the game to your devices (it does to your TVs); if it did, you could not play up to 2 miles away. Your devices communicate with a Buzztime server in California. What the SiteHub does do is provide information to that Buzztime server (whether or not the game is on, maybe the location of the place). I know from my own experience that Buzztime will usually do a check shortly before a new game begins.

You will say "But this isn't happening at that time!" True, but electronic devices can have malfunctioning clocks, which will mess up location checks. I have a tablet that thinks it is October 2025, and it must have its time adjusted each time it is turned on for the wifi to work. Here, it would be a matter of the SiteHub not providing proper time, which might be an internal problem, might be a matter of someone not setting the right time in setup. This is why a new SiteHub would be a good idea, if only to eliminate it as the cause.

Besides that, all you have left is some unknown factor unique to your location that is causing your problem, and at this point I'm really grasping at straws. You've had two modems and a SiteHub develop problems in short order; there could be a common reason for that. Could you describe the modem problem with a bit more detail? How was it alike/different from what you are getting from the SiteHub?

Diagnosing these problems is sometimes like diagnosing a patient; sometimes it isn't simple. If you go to the doctor with terrible headaches, it's likely migraines; it might be a brain tumor; it could be something else. So you go through a series of tests to separate the actual cause from the possibilities. It's the same here, except it's easier to swap out parts to see what is bad. :D Here, the situation is not clear, and the clues you do have point in different directions.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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We’re not sure where the problem is.

As for the bar wifi, it does not seem to go out on other devices at all. My wife is constantly reading other stuff, videos etc. That does not go out and is not out when our devices all disconnect mid game within 10 to 15 seconds of each other followed by the “there are no games at this location now”. It comes back up 1 to 3 questions later.

As for the modem card in the old blue box computer tower, the original one just died, all repeats and no rankings. BT could diagnose it and sent a replacement card to be put into the motherboard by a bartender on duty. That new one would only stay connected for a few minutes to a hour and would lose connection. Back to the same old repeat games and no rankings.

Bartender resets it several times over several days, same thing. BT sends a second replacement modem and same exact thing, this time bartender mentions maybe it lost internet connection when the internet pandora channel was changed? Today we were there, the pandora channel was never changed, yet we had the usual 12:05, 1:05, 2:05 etc disconnect. With 1 or 2 at 35 to 45 after the hour. The blue box modem was hard wired. The sitehub is on bar WiFi. The blue box system worked fine with the same app and same devices. No disconnects until the modem troubles which I think was in the motherboard.

Just a huge mess that does seem to be worse at our bar but has been happening at other site hubs.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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BUD wrote:
Also I saw a report that said their BGN bar rankings had 20 bars?


See https://scaratings.com/newScaratings/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=4233 for a description and photos of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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BGN black chromebox sites do show the top 20 results for bars and individuals. Once the result screen pops up, you can scroll within that screen to see the top 20.


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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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Why would they not let you wager as usual on the final 6 questions in Six? This worked fine on the site Hub systems. If it ain't broke don't fix it!


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 Post subject: Re: Six is broken in Chromebox version
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My guess is someone didn’t realize the betting in final round should be in the game because they don’t play any BT games. They wrote the new code to just to get through the questions as easily as possible.

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