zog741 wrote:
Cloudy wrote:
(Though I don't think this post follows what has preceded it, nonetheless, it's about baseball.)
Roger Maris should have his single season home run record restored, and Hank Aaron should have his lifetime total home runs record restored also. The guys who surpassed them were cheats, who used steroids. It is absolutely wrong to allow the steroid super players take the crowns away from real baseball players, who's numbers were earned honestly.
This makes me really angry...
(Yep, perhaps the steriod cheats might have been able to beat Roger and Hank honestly, but they didn't.)
I'm sorry, but is it that big a deal? In my opinion, no. I still think the best home run hitter ever was Babe Ruth, although he didn't face the quality of pitching that Hank Aaron did. Roger Maris was a one-season wonder. It is pointless to compare players from different eras like this. So their records are what they are and we are left to interpret them as we wish. The single season and career home run records are held by Barry Bonds; you may not like that but that's how it is.
-- RWM
Heck, I might agree with you a little bit, but not on everything.
I think the use of steroids is a BIG deal.
Babe Ruth faced more than a few Hall of Fame pitchers in his time.
Actually, there is a very good argument that the expansion of baseball teams has thinned out good pitchers, giving batters a better shot at doing well.
Yes, Roger Maris (Fixed my spelling) was a one-season wonder. He also cheated by being in the Yankee batting order with Mickey Mantle on deck, so no one dared to try to pitch around him. That must have helped Roger a lot.
You're probably right that trying to compare baseball players from different eras is somewhat difficult. However, there are a few exceptions.
From Wikipedia, I will throw Ty Cobb at you.
"Cobb is widely regarded as one of the best players of all time. In 1936, Cobb received the most votes of any player on the inaugural Baseball Hall of Fame ballot, receiving 222 out of a possible 226 votes. Cobb is widely credited with setting 90 Major League Baseball records during his career. He still holds several records as of 2011, including the highest career batting average (.366 or .367, depending on source) and most career batting titles with 11 (or 12, depending on source). He retained many other records for almost a half century or more, including most career hits until 1985 (4,189 or 4,191, depending on source), most career runs (2,245 or 2,246 depending on source) until 2001,[12] most career games played (3,035) and at bats (11,429 or 11,434 depending on source) until 1974, and the modern record for most career stolen bases (892) until 1977. He committed 271 errors in his career, the most by any American League outfielder."Another one, why haven't any of the steroid cheats surpassed Ted Williams' .406 batting average from 1941?
Yeah, another one, why haven't any of the steroid cheats been able to win the Triple Crown since Carl Yastrzemski last did it in 1967?
You're right, I don't like Barry Bonds holding records after cheating with steroids. Yeah, they were all doing it. However, I say throw all of their records out. Reduce them all to footnotes in the Hall of Fame. I think that Barry, the cheat, might also soon become known as Barry, the liar under oath. People like this do NOT deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
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p.s. I'll give you this. Bonds might have been able to do it without steroids. However, he didn't. I actually feel somewhat sorry for the man.
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