-BO- wrote:
WB TANAKA wrote:
In all fairness, BO, point to five times in the past six months that one player, solo, has won Six or Showdown. I'll be happy to look at the links if you have them.
It's happened in the past, but it's a rare feat accomplished by the very best multi-box players, and I don't think that you can find five instances of a solo multi-box win in the past 78 games of Six and Showdown combined.
As LEWSER said, I'm not just talking about SIX or SD, I'm talking about all specialty/premium games. In other words, games with (in theory) fresh questions. Not LTT where blocks of questions repeat every week.
But I'm pretty sure MEGUMI has soloed SIX this year, also think he's done PB as well. Also know a one-man team has won Topix twice this year.
Part of my point was this forum has a ton of absolute top notch players, when a newbie comes on and starts gushing about how good so-and-so is, we're just going to chuckle, shake our heads and move on.
BO, I'm not sure that once you get away from Showdown and Six that you avoid repeats...look at Pastimes just this week, where I've heard allegations of repeat questions and where I know that there were enough perfect scores (60 in the East, 12 in the West) to suggest repeats.
I see a Six win at Runyon's from before the past six months this year. Usually MEGUMI plays solo there. Candidly, I don't dispute that MEGUMI can occasionally win Six solo.
But you wrote, "In other words, when have you won a game with fresh questions? It's really not that hard to win games, hell, there are quite a few players here that rank their location 1st playing 5 boxes all by their lonesome."
There are only two general trivia games with near-guaranteed fresh questions: Showdown and Six. I don't see "quite a few" players beating the big city teams at those games: I see MEGUMI able to do it on occasion, but not once in the past six months. I checked the past six months before I posted using Don Denton's site, cross-checked against game records. I can't promise that I eliminated all chances of multi-boxing, but I saw no evident cases of a solo player leading the US in Six or Showdown.
I also don't see blocks of repeat questions as the norm in LTT, CD, or LS. I do acknowledge that repeat questions play a big role for players with P+ Points in the eight-digit range, and I do acknowledge that blocks of repeats play a role. (See BWW Joplin, MO on September 14 LTT with 61 Gold Medals in three hours; see Boogies Diner over a recent period of weeks that boosted them to fourth in the nation via repeats. Both of those prove your point as exceptions, BO, but they're not necessarily the rule.)
My point, BO: it IS that hard to win Premium Games. I assure you that I can't win Six or Showdown solo...and I've won Six (East) twice this year (high team/high individual) and I've once upon a time finished first on a team that won Showdown. But in each of those games I was on the road, teaming with other VERY good players. I strongly disagree that it's reasonable to expect two players to win a significant Premium Game to prove their skill. I'd like to give newbies, in particular, a chance to prove themselves: if somebody with fewer than a million P+ Points is knocking off medals at a fast-but-not-too-fast rate, maybe we should meet them and see how they do face-to-face before cutting them down.
As long as they're respecting the other players and not cheating.
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Here, however, BO, you were the voice of reason in every other respect, standing up for the established community against a flaming fucking asshole.* That's why I've measured my words on our very narrow disagreement: on the whole here you were not only right, you were heroic.
Peace, BO. Thanks for reading my position.
* Moderators: Given recent standards of posting I find myself confused as to possible limits on vocabulary, so I have chosen the most precise words to express my meaning. My apologies in advance if these words violate some standard, and your choice to edit or delete the asterisked words is respected if necessary. Thank you, as always, for allowing me as a member of your community.